Not for the light hearted.... brief comparison of Christianity and the Zodiac..

[Muad'Dib]

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8461754114455236037&hl=en

Templar

[Squid Vicious]

I can't stop watching this movie. (viewed 5 times in the last few weeks).

This is likely the most enlightening post in MS history and is a must see for every person on the planet.

Mad props for this one Chris.

[Muad'Dib]

Scott showed it to me actualy.....


Templar

[LSF]

It's 1/3 of a longer movie called zeitgeist that you can find for free on the net.

This is by far the best part. The other parts were 9-11 conspiracy, where it rehashed the same old crap, and some federal reserve bits.

[des mcgrath]

Great stuff. Got check out the rest. As for the conclusions it draws, I'm still curious - have to check it out. I'm always skeptical about evertyhing, even skeptycal docs.

So to start of:

One of the best known references to Jesus is in Josephus's history titled Antiquities. (Flavius Josephus was born in AD 37 and died in AD 97).

Other ancient writers who mention Christ are Cornelius Tacitus (AD 55-120), Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas (secretary to Emperor Hadrian (AD 117-138), and Pliny the Younger who was a Roman author and administrator.

Writting in the year AD 221, Julius Africanus quotes from a history of the Eastern Mediterranean written in about AD 52 by Thallus. Julius Africanus writes concerning the time of Jesus' crucifixion::

"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun."*

In addition, the writings of opponents of Christianty such as Jews and Gnostics, confirm that Jesus was a real person. If they could, the best alternative for Christianity's enemies would have been to say Jesus never lived. But the evidence was too real and fresh--there were people still alive who knew Jesus or the Apostles. Their only alternative was to accept Jesus, but change his message.

It definetly made me curious enough to search more about it.

[Squid Vicious]

Post your research here with links. I would love to read some of that Jesearch.

[LSF]

I don't know how relevant it is that he was real or not real. I have never really doubted that he was a real guy, to me its more of a question of how accurately he was portrayed. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" was a late edition to the bible for example, edited in in 400-500 AD. From what I have read, while living he was a bit player messiah-wise in an age full of meesiahs. If you are going to lie, its always good to have kernels of truth in your lies, so why not use a pre-made messsiah for your lie. If the astonomical symbology bits are true, than that is clearly what happened.

[Muad'Dib]

If there was an eclipse of the sun whe ra/jesus/zues/mythra was killed, surely there are astrilogical records to back it up.


Templar

[Squid Vicious]

The point of contention for me is the Zeitgiest use the issue of 40 historians "who combined work could fill a small library" never mention Jesus once.

Is it the general consensus that thier claim is bullshit? If so, that puts their ethics, research techniques and ultimately their methodology in question.

[LSF]

True, but then again all movies like this are composed of a certain percentage of BS. The more important question is are the key points about the zodiac true or not... should be very easy to disprove if they are not.

[Squid Vicious]

It make me question the similarities between Horus and everything else.

[Culter Caldus]

The video didn't work. What's the main point?

[Squid Vicious]

nels, go to

zeitgeistmovie.com

[Culter Caldus]

Initial reaction:

1. War scenes. what's the point? Is this a religious movie? Would men not fight without religion.
2. whenever somebody says how much we've been lied to-until their movie, I immediately suspect a whole lot of lying.
3. I guess a George Carlin comedy routine is supposed to be evidence.
4. This is very old stuff. Similarity does not prove anything. Jesus has been said to be derived from Buddha and a bunch of other stuff. is he saying that Krishna came from Egypt? What about the Mexican pyramids? Did they come from Egypt?

I think it would be useful to point out the ways in which Jesus was not like Horus:

1. Jesus is not a God of conquest.
2. Jesus wasn't represented at having one eye.
3. Jesus wasn't associated with the falcon.
4. Jesus is within a Jewish, monotheistic tradition, not a poly one where gods war against each other.
5. The messages they preached are completely different.
6. Jesus was not married.
7. Jesus didn't battle with his brothers
8. Jesus is never ruler of anything or desired to be.
9. Horace's resurrection was his beginning not the end of his Earthly influence.

He also mixes stuff up incredibly. Most people acknowledge that the December 25 date was of pagan origin, for example.

1. Jesus' connection with Easter has to do with passover not the equinox.
2. how many early Christians had so much knowledge of astrology?
3. The cross in question is one particular type used in some churches.
4. Crown of thorns= sunrays? Come on, guys.

Why didn't they just worship the zodiac? Why not mention the zodiac?  It would have been easier to preach in the mystical Greece, as it would have been more similar to what they were used to.

What does Davinci have to say about it?
I'll finish and report back.

[Squid Vicious]

finish the whole piece...keep an open mind and don't let preconceived notions get in the way, in other words take your own advice.